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Thread: Why don't US contractors GET high reach excavators?

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    Just so you know TKC Corp, I did have a very brief communication with Mike Taylor of the NDA late last week just as he was leaving on a trip to Toronto. However, I am hoping for/expecting a response from him this week.

    In terms of US accident and recycling rates, we only have access to those that are publicly available together with perceptions drawn (particularly from feedback through the NDA) that the US is lagging some way behind the UK and Europe. Although these figures (and perceptions) may not be entirely accurate, it is fair to say that European contractors are more stringently regulated than their counterparts in the US.

    Just one final point, you mention the possibility of low utilisation levels for some contractors. This is most certainly a consideration, but I can tell you that here in the UK, there is also a VERY significant and healthy cross-rental market. As an example, 777 Demolition owns one of the largest UHD machines in the country, but you're every bit as likely to see it on a "rival's" site as you are a 777 site.

    With the additional room in which US contractors have to work, their long tradition of explosive methods, the high proportion of timber-frame structures, it is true that UHD machines are not ever likely to be the panacea of all US demolition work. However, the fact that the UK and Europe has embraced these highly specialised machines and now leads the way in terms of recycling and sustainability is no coincidence.
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    John, Good call on both your posts. Also,everyone here seems to be pretty well educated on the subject. " We " own a High Reach on a 385 Cat the long boom reaching over 8 stories. I think that a lot of U.S. demolition contractors do own them but, it is limited to the larger outfits in which you do not here much about. Usually the larger outfits have been in the business for a long time and do not do much advertising. These companies can afford to run this type of equipment and have it sitting around waiting for the next tall project. I don't think it is any secret as to how much it cost to purchase, insure, and maintain it. Not to mention the fact that you cannot let just anyone in the seat. A good friend whom owns a company in Florida. His favorite saying is " I can buy a lot of gas and air for that kind of money! " The videmo below is with the short boom. About half the reach of the long boom.

    YouTube - MONSTER MACHINE
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    As someone that has literally documented the History of Demolition in the States for the last 15 years I have seen almost every conceivable method to take down a structure.

    The High Reach Attachment is used for a variety of reasons, but first and foremost to deconstruct a structure in the safest way possible.

    In 1990 while living in Italy my camera became trained on local construction sites that caught my eye. Standing in the middle of every construction site of every country I visited was a piece of machinery I had never seen before. It was a tower crane. In the US, at that time, the use of tower cranes was few and far between. Now they are everywhere.

    While shooting Boston’s Big Dig from 1998-2005 there were multiple technologies used that were invented, refined as improved on that were used to help construct the $14.8 billion Central Artery Tunnel Project.
    These were mostly construction technologies that were not from the US. Advanced Slurry Wall technologies came from Italy and Germany. Soil Mixing, Grout Injecting and Saline Soil Freezing Methods came from Japan. Mechanically every manufacturer worldwide had one state-of-the-art piece of heavy equipment somewhere on the Big Dig. In fact, even the massive 475 foot long walking gantry for placing viaduct road segments came from Sweden and Italy.

    Having traveled extensively in the UK and Europe in the last 25 years there is only one thing to say. Everything we do in the States is totally different from the way ‘you’ do things over there. Not to say that our way or your way is the right or wrong way. It’s just different.

    There are so many vastly different factors to consider. For everything from the time you get up in the morning to the time you go to sleep.
    Speech, language, automobile sizes and uses, truck weights and models, food on our tables, the way we school our children, our sports heroes, our life heroes, rules and regulations of towns, local and civil governments, rules on the job site, expectations, training, EVERYTHING is different.

    I was asked early on, from Mark Anthony, to join this debate and knew it would stir up a lot of emotional responses so I decided to see how things would play out before voicing my observation.

    It is unfortunate that we, as people, are drawn to the entertainment of the suffering of others. It seems the videos that get the most attention on YouTube are those that are failures, loss of human life and injuries caused by reckless behavior. It is human nature. It is even more unfortunate that most of the ‘demolition gone wrong’ videos have originated from the USA thus lumping every demolition contractor into the ugly American category.

    I once posted a video of ‘textbook’ method for pulling down a water tower from the top of a 5-story building. The comments were unbelievable. Most felt it would have been better if it were cut up piece-by-piece and systematically dismantled. Others felt that a HRD would have been better attacking it from various sides to tear it apart.

    But the comment that really took the prize came from the UK, from someone I used to have a lot of respect for. He stated that the location of this demolition was obviously from the REDNECK area of the United States and that HSE in the UK would have shut–down the site.

    Needless to say that comment started a whirlwind fury of back and forth comments, opinions, gossip, accusations. Much like what is going on in this thread.

    We as American’s have our way of doing things, some of it is good, some of it great and some not so great.

    Perhaps and better way to title this topic, that obviously meant as a jab in the kidney’s would have been ‘How have High Reach Excavators Helped your Company?’

    My answer to this question would have been.

    One of my biggest clients, Testa Corp, uses a Jewell High Reach Attachment that is mounted to a Komastu 1250 PC platform with a reach of 100 feet as a base machine and 120 feet when used with the extension member and weighs in at 200 tons.

    They make use of the high reach attachment when certain factors apply to safely and accurately dismantle a project. They have 1 high reach attachment that is easily transported and can be quickly assembled.

    Additionally, they have a single highly trained professional operator that travels with the high reach attachment wherever it is deployed.

    To end my contribution to this debate I have one question for you.

    A friend of mine, a Scotsman (born and raised) is visiting me here in the States this week. While he has been here many times before he asked quite a peculiar question that I found rather odd.

    He wanted to know why everywhere he went he saw American flags flying. He’s seen them on cars, on trucks, flying from flagpoles in people’s yards, on the front of houses, everywhere.

    He said that in the UK it is not a favorable thing (bordering on illegal) to fly the Union Jack or the flags of England, Wales or Scotland and he wanted to know why purposefully fly our flag here in the states?

    Just curious. Just seems strange that you can’t fly the flag of your own country, whenever and where ever you want…
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    Another great and well considered comment.
    Just to save you from the potential barrage of responses regarding the flag issue, there has been something of a move away from any form of flag flying patriotism here in the UK to satisfy th PC (politically correct) brigade. To gve you an example, I was once told I couldn't go into an English pub, in an English town, to watch the English football (soccer) team play on TV because I was wearing an England soccer shirt!!
    All that aside, an an Englishman I wouldn't fly the Union Jack anyway...that's the flag for Great Britain/United Kingdom. It's a St George's Cross for me and my countrymen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoPhotographer View Post
    He said that in the UK it is not a favorable thing (bordering on illegal) to fly the Union Jack or the flags of England, Wales or Scotland and he wanted to know why purposefully fly our flag here in the states?

    Just curious. Just seems strange that you can’t fly the flag of your own country, whenever and where ever you want…
    While I am certainly proud to fly the "stars and stripes" these days, flying the flag privately has stood for different things in different places over the years.

    For example, I can remember that in the United States during the sixties, and especially the early seventies, the flag was not widely flown privately, or flag pins worn on clothing, in some communities because it meant that you were a "hawk" and supported the bombing that was going on in Viet Nam and Cambodia at the time. In certain portions of Massachusetts, New York and California, to name but a few, you would not see as many flags flying as today, for that reason.

    In Japan, for example, flags are not widely flown. The reason for that is, even to this day, flying the flag can carry the connotation of support for the militaristic factions that came to control the Japanese government during World War II.

    I understand that some Japanese are not comfortable with flying the flag because it brings up associations with a militaristic govenment that they did not support in their country during World War II.

    I also understand that some other Japanese who do tend to display the flag privately are supporters of the theory that the Emperor rules by divine right, a belief widely held in Japan until the U.S. Occupation, under Douglas MacArthur, made the Emperor (Hirohito) get on the radio and tell the people that he was not descended from the sun goddess (as historically believed) and that he did not rule by divine right.

    So, flying the flag privately can have underlying meanings in different places in different times.
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